Schoolgirl watches in horror as yob stamps on her puppy's head and kills it

Animal cruelty of this sort in Washington State is a felony. We put people in prison for it. Come on up HERE and try stomping a puppy to death. We have plenty of room in the jails for you.

Our statute, which YOUR state should adopt:

'(1) A person is guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree when, except as authorized in law, he or she intentionally (a) inflicts substantial pain on, (b) causes physical injury to, or (c) kills an animal by a means causing undue suffering, or forces a minor to inflict unnecessary pain, injury, or death on an animal.

(2) A person is guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree when, except as authorized by law, he or she, with criminal negligence, starves, dehydrates, or suffocates an animal and as a result causes: (a) Substantial and unjustifiable physical pain that extends for a period sufficient to cause considerable suffering; or (b) death.

(3) Animal cruelty in the first degree is a class C felony, punishable by up to five years in state prison and a $10,000 fine.'

*Except as authorized by law*

This is an exclusion for police officers who are forced to kill, say...an attacking dog, and the basic exclusion for Animal Control officers, who are authorized to euthanize animals (regrettably) at Animal Shelters if necessary.

try doing that to my dog... I like my dog more than I like most people, he's family. I'd stomp that kid to death on the spot without an inch of remorse, and do the 2 years less a day i'd get for killing him.

because they will hence why you should lock them in a dark room somewhere and cut their eyelids off then feed them sleeping pills and turn on some really bright lights and a fan for a few days then skin them alive

#3.1: "...turn on some really bright lights and a fan for a few days then skin them alive"

Oh, how deliciously malevolent! I like it!

What is a "yob?" Apart from "boy" spelled backwards?

The antithesis of what a good boy should be - rude, obnoxious, violent and stupid. Formed by spelling 'boy' bacwards, it was coined in England in the 18th century as it was very popular amongst upperclasses to speak backwards at the time. Have you seen that boy? He's a yob

#3.3: "The antithesis of what a good boy should be - rude, obnoxious, violent and stupid."

Thanks for the definition! Odd that I'd never heard of it before, but it makes sense and certainly fits this instance.

Thanks again!

Ditto to bitemore's comment, thanks for the definition Roy.

rude, obnoxious, violent and stupid.

...and totally lacking in compassion, one of the 'higher' character traits in humans.

Beware, these fellows will only respect what they fear.

They are nothing but garbage, anyway (but why am I so sure some bleeding heart will try to call them "human"?)!

Because they are human, with the same motivations as the rest of us. They should be punished for their cruelty, yes, but dehumanizing people that you don't understand is a classic sign of immaturity.

#3.6: "...but dehumanizing people that you don't understand is a classic sign of immaturity."

I knew it. What'd I tell ya?

Note to boneclinkz: I didn't dehumanize them. They did that all by themselves.

Maybe in your next life you will be a puppy trying to be friendly with a yob... and maybe then you will comprehend.

No worries. I'd hate to be the one responsible for undermining your juvenile worldview. Critical thinking is hard.

Bitemore: I'm with you!!! What kind of animals are being spawned today anyway??? Dehumanizing has nothing to do with it...they're bad seeds that need to be destroyed!!!

Would you say that they are "animals" that need to be "put down?" lol

Boneclinkz: what a stupid question...have you nothing better to do?

boneclinkz--

Because they are human, with the same motivations as the rest of us.

Um sorry? I have NO motivation to stomp on a puppy's head and kill or, or any animal for that matter. I have no motivation to purposely kill an animal like these wankers did.

But hey you champion their cause go for it.

A yob is an uncouth individual or thug. You ARE connected to the Interweb, aren't you?

Because they are human, with the same motivations as the rest of us.

Ummmm... I don't know about you (although I am slightly worried)... If a little puppy came up to me with its tail wagging, I wouldn't be motivated in the slightest to stomp its head. That "yob" is twisted. Plain and simple. There is something wrong with that. The only thing that I would have been motivated to do would be to let it sniff me then pet it if allowed. I would have also tried to find the owner.

On another note, thanks for the definition for a yob. You saved me a little bit of "research" time. I had never heard of that. LOL I think I might need to file it away for future reference.

I wouldn't be motivated in the slightest to stomp its head.

No, but then neither you nor the others on this board are unpredictable and potentially violent 'yobs'.

That "yob" is twisted. Plain and simple.

Yes he is 'twisted', but I don't believe it's by any means 'simple'. The reason so many diverse agencies from law enforcement to religious, medical and educational groups, spend their resources on trying to understand these 'yobs' and their motivations, is not out of bleeding-heart liberalism, but simple self-defence, prevention as well as apprehension. It doesn't make them any less guilty, it's just another tool to use to protect everybody.

While the rest of you are poking fun at boneclinkz, keep in mind that if people had better understood the danger signs and what to do about them, 'Columbine' might have been prevented.

Dubbya R,

While the rest of you are poking fun at boneclinkz...

Yes he is 'twisted', but I don't believe it's by any means 'simple'.

I was not poking fun at boneclinkz. If it came across in that manner, it was not intentional. I was referring to the opinion (a widely shared one as you admitted) being plain and simple. I apparently did not communicate that well enough. Mental conditions are not by any stretch of the imagination simple. I have spent enough time in a college psych class to know this much (plus a little more LOL).

The hard part of understanding and attempting to prevent these occurances is that these indicators are not obvious. On top of that, it is impossible to know how each person will react. Maybe we will be able to determine that some day in the future. I know that there are several researchers that are trying to figure out how to do that right now.

I honestly think that, whether they admit it or not, that the people that seem to be picking at boneclinkz are doing so because she is not expressing any empathy/sympathy toward the girl whatsoever nor the puppy.

No, but then neither you nor the others on this board are unpredictable and potentially violent 'yobs'.

This is really close to the point I was trying to make. From my understanding from the quote I gave earlier is that she believes we all have this same motivation. I was pointing out that that was not so. I know I can only "speak" for myself personally.

Acts such as this dehumanize the culprit not only just because of the media and public opinon, but because it is hard to even attempt to empathize with the culprit.

Lissa Rose-

If I misread your intention, then you have my apology, but my last sentence was aimed more at toning down some others here, not you. There is much talk on this board angrily advocating revenge, and angrily disputing differing opinions. I don't believe anyone here really means it, but are just understandably blowing off steam, NBD. I'm sure that you agree however, that revenge is no more than a 'feel-good' approach, that doesn't solve the long-term problems that are creating these 'yobs', or preventing their actions.

The hard part of understanding and attempting to prevent these occurances is that these indicators are not obvious.

Yes, but the consequences of not succeeding, or in many cases not even trying, are embodied by the jerks that are filling our jails (when they're caught), and acting violently towards people as well as animals. To understand someone or their acts, isn't implying that either one should be tolerated.

...picking at boneclinkz are doing so because she is not expressing any empathy/sympathy toward the girl whatsoever nor the puppy.

I'm sure you know very well that just because someone doesn't express sympathy for the sad killing of this puppy, is not evidence that they don't feel sympathy. I don't know 'bone', and (no offense boneclinkz), I'm not engaged in defending him/her as much as trying to point out that he/she has a valid point, and that it should not be dismissed so quickly.

...dehumanize the culprit ... because it is hard to even attempt to empathize with the culprit.

Don't try, it will fry your brain. 'Understanding' their motives or/and what caused them to be who they are may led to empathy, and that scares people. But understanding these people, is for the benefit of all of society, not these 'yobs'.

I'm sure you know very well that just because someone doesn't express sympathy for the sad killing of this puppy, is not evidence that they don't feel sympathy. I don't know 'bone', and (no offense boneclinkz), I'm not engaged in defending him/her as much as trying to point out that he/she has a valid point, and that it should not be dismissed so quickly.

I do sympathize with the little girl, I really do. And I love dogs. But instead of participating in the commiserating circle jerk these threads turn into, I decided it would be more interesting and worthwhile to confront the people who had lost all sense of proportion and were calling for blood.

Not really arguing with either of you on those points.

I'm still calling for blood. That's just how I roll I guess, but I'd rather get rid of these bad seeds now before the spoil the field.

I had to love on my dog a bit too. (Spoilt rotten German Sherpherd... She just crawls in my lap and looks at all the Halloween candy...)

My cats follow me everywhere and when I hear or read about animal cruelty I just need to hug them.

Awwww... My dog dug into the candy not too long after that post and pulled out an air head and handed it to me to open for her. Like I said, spoilt rotten.

She follows all of us constantly and does her "rounds" around the house constantly. She whines if the kids go outside and she is in.

Awwww... My dog dug into the candy not too long after that post and pulled out an air head and handed it to me to open for her. Like I said, spoilt rotten.

Lissa Rose - That is too cute! Made me smile. My husband taught our miniature schnauzer to eat off of a fork. It was hysterical. And boy did he love popsicles!

Most dogs I have been around love popsicles and other frozen treats. She knows she is not allowed to have the chocolate, so she shifts around it and digs out something she knows she can get if she looks pitiful enough.

Lorelei (my dog) will get ice in her water during the summer, and she will pull it out and "suck" on it.

I miss having a dog. My dog, Tommy, died in 2003. My husband won't let me have another one because I damn near had a nervous breakdown when Tommy died. He was just the sweetest thing in the whole world. I just love your story about the candy. That is so adorable. And she can pick out the right kind? How cool is that?

I love watching her do that. LOL

Ultraviolence stemming from the popular culture aestheticization of violence.

Exactly!

This is why I seeded this but I am taking a ton of slack for it!

Sadly, it seems people love the culture of aestheticization of violence.

nearing-- and Andromeda-510639--

Disturbing isn't it.

Agreed Nearing. Even here on this thread people didn't like the violance of this kid, yet they themselves say things like,

"because they will hence why you should lock them in a dark room somewhere and cut their eyelids off then feed them sleeping pills and turn on some really bright lights and a fan for a few days then skin them alive"

and

#3.1: "...turn on some really bright lights and a fan for a few days then skin them alive"

"Oh, how deliciously malevolent! I like it!"

To me, both the killing of the puppy, and the talk of torturing the killer, are equally disturbing, in that they both require violent thoughts.

People came to read this story because of shock at this crime, we want to in turn inflict harm on the criminal because so far this idea of lets coddle the criminal give him a hug and teach him with understanding IS NOT WORKING!

An eye for an eye! Even a mother dog knows this, if the pup is acting up an keeps biting the mom she will bite it's ear, the pup stops.

People came to read this story because of shock at this crime, we want to in turn inflict harm on the criminal because so far this idea of lets coddle the criminal give him a hug and teach him with understanding IS NOT WORKING!

Yeah but the funny part is that nobody set up any such dichotomy. The only thing I was saying is that on the continuum of acceptable punishments, where "stern warning" is on one end and "drawn and quartered" is on the other, the reasonable answer is somewhere in the middle, because as civilized human beings we should avoid dehumanizing each other for the sake of vengeance.

Why do you continue with the we should not dehumanize malarkey when that is what criminals do to their victims.

Ya really think they kids cared about the little girl, or her puppy, hell no, they cared about be sadistic little trolls and having fun by stomping on the puppies head and getting a good laugh. Maybe we actually should make you witness these acts of animal cruelty in person. Because you issue more sentiment on the criminals than you ever do the victims.

These kids have now red flagged their lives, given they took pleasure in killing an innocent puppy. A stern warning, right, you go give them a little slap on the wrist and tell them you naughty boy, then go and take them out to lunch.

Why do you continue with the we should not dehumanize malarkey when that is what criminals do to their victims.

1) You can't dehumanize a puppy.

2) In the event that the victim is a human, then are you really suggesting that as a society we should adopt the same outlook as a sociopath?

if there is a deadly disease out there we do everything we can to eradicate it..... people like these guys are a disease.

People say "it was just a dog" but guys like this have been shown to move on to people, and when they "stomp" some kid or person walking alone next, all of a sudden it will make the news that they had been charged with animal cruelty in the past.

and THEN all you people will be outraged at the police and government for "not seeing the signs" or failing to do anything BEFORE thay attacked a person...

All I can say, is that when they do, I hope the person they randomly attack is one of the ones who thinks what they did "isn't that bad"

jamithy - I've got to agree with you. You often read of violent criminals starting with animal cruelty. It's a well known fact. So, this is definitely indicative of things to come. I'm not saying the guy should be drawn and quartered, per se, but he needs to be in some sort of psychological treatment.

You often read of violent criminals starting with animal cruelty. It's a well known fact. So, this is definitely indicative of things to come.

Now you're just doing it to set me off!

That's right JRB, he'll either go to jail or he'll get a bullet to the back of his head!! Ha Ha!!

People like this do not change. He'll live a low income life with no education, doing the same crap for the rest of his life.

So we're dehumanizing poor people now too? You must be a Republican! :)

Boneclinkz: you're very disturbing and you're not comprehending this at all!! Who said anything about poor people?? And what's not to understand them..they're mistakes that shouldn't have been conceived!!

boneclinkz,

I can tell you're a drama queen by trying to bring politics into this. I'm guessing you're still in high school. Or you're a crazed liberal who will find some excuse for this kid to kill this little girl's puppy, and say he doesn't deserve punishment.

"Or you're a crazed liberal who will find some excuse for this kid to kill this little girl's puppy, and say he doesn't deserve punishment."

Your remark is disgusting and uncalled for. Grow up.

Disgusting? Does my comment make you gag? If so, you really need help. The comment wasn't directed to you.

Therefore, you can mind your own business. You're obviously the exact type of person that I quoted, because you're so defensive.

You can blame your friend boneclinkz for the comment, since he/she/it wanted to bring politics into a discussion about someone killing a puppy.

So, who's the one that needs to grow up again?

"The comment wasn't directed to you."

That's too damn bad. When I see some immature ass bring politics into a discussion about a ten week old puppy I'll call him/her out every time. I can't believe how much people like you are intimidated by others you don't agree with. If you want a single party system I suggest you move to North Korea, Burma or China. You'd fit in nicely.

"Therefore, you can mind your own business."

Sock puppets such as yourself are my business.

"So, who's the one that needs to grow up again?"

You, that's who.

I can tell you're a drama queen by trying to bring politics into this. I'm guessing you're still in high school. Or you're a crazed liberal who will find some excuse for this kid to kill this little girl's puppy, and say he doesn't deserve punishment.

Those are my only two options? Damn.

Sichuan,

That's too damn bad. When I see some immature ass bring politics into a discussion about a ten week old puppy I'll call him/her out every time.

I really am not involved in this thread, but I would like to point out that Boneclinkz was the one that brought politics into this particular discussion with comment #6.2.

That being said, this is still a very sick and disgusting crime. IF it was an accident, then it most assuredly a tragedy. I didn't see anything as of yet in any other article that would lend credit to this being an accident. It seems that the yob inteded to cause serious damage.

***I keep trying to add the strikethrough on the profanity or delete it, and it keeps coming back on. Sorry.

You are indeed correct Lissa Rose. I didn't see that one or I would have commented in the same manner. It would seem that I ignored #6.2 because the comment was directed at a Republican but that is not the case. I'm usually the first to criticize Democrats for unnecessary remarks and offensive behavior and the first to applaud Republicans and other conservatives when it is warranted, which is quite often.

I usually have so many discussions open at the same time that I don't have the time to start at the beginning and read all the comments. My apologies for missing the first remark. Don't worry about the profanity because I don't consider damn and ass to be profane.

It helps to read, doesn't it?

Well JRB1X, it would seem that way. Nevertheless, when I screw up I always admit it, and I've always found it quite easy to apologize when it was warranted.

I don't have them opened at the same time. LOL

I must agree that this doesn't really have anything to do with politics though.

He's lucky that wasn't my dog. I would have swept his legs out from under him, grabbed his head, and smacked it until he died into the concrete.

That is the most horrible thing to do to an innocent and friendly animal. Poor April must think that people are monsters--and rightfully so.

I hope these hoodlums are punished to the fullest extent of the law and then some. If there is any justice in jail, someone will stomp on their heads and get their miserable selves off the planet.

RIP Sandy. My thoughts are with April and her family. Poor child and poor dog.

Poor April must think that people are monsters--and rightfully so.

I was thinking about that too. If April gets another dog, I'm sure she'll be scared to have it interact with other people. The irony is that she got the dog to help her control her behavior, and some petit salud kills her beloved pet because he can't control his. Then you have to wonder what would have happened if a small child had approached that group of boys.

"He's lucky that wasn't my dog. I would have swept his legs out from under him, grabbed his head, and smacked it until he died into the concrete."

I'm with you, Apples.

Sandy should go buy a full grown Pit Bull and go back to the park and turn it loose on the same teenagers.

Excellent point, but this is not the way for someone to learn responsibility. It will only cause problems if she gets another dog.

(I am now cringing because I let mine off when noone is around on the nature trails near my place. She stays right next to us anyway. This boy wouldn't have had much luck stomping her head though.)

oooh yea put the dog on a leash so that the kid will have an easier time to stomp its head... kinda seems pointless dog runs to end of leash can't really get away... that's why I keep big dogs people can't really step on their heads un less walking through the house at night and he lays across the hallway then it's accidental

LOL I have big dogs too.

That kid is a freak. I'm glad that her threats were taken seriously by the authorities. And I hope that her parents are getting their child counselling before she starts threatening humans as well as animals. What a terrible thing to have experienced!

You did the right thing and you're right, that was not a good girl. Hopefully that incident gave her a chance at treatment or knocked some sense into her head.

#10.2: "Hopefully that incident gave her a chance at treatment or knocked some sense into her head."

Not likely. The parents are in denial, their little darling can do no wrong, clearly there have never been consequences, so their little darling will end up dead someday... shot while robbing a bank or committing some other crime...

You're right. I had a next-door neighbor whose son used to torment me and my brother endlessly. When my mother complained to his mom, she would just say, "Now Jason, if you tell Mommy you didn't do this I'll believe you." He is currently serving 10-15 in Canon City.

The parents are in denial, their little darling can do no wrong, clearly there have never been consequences

I abhor dealing with parents like this. I am glad that this particular situation seems to have turned out ok, but parents like this put others that their "darling angel babies" come into contact with in precarious positions. It is not healthy behavior.

People that moved into my grandmother's neighbor's house used to throw bricks at the dogs that my husband and I had that stayed in the backyard. (My husband and I moved in while I was in college. It meant we could keep an eye on her and help everyone out, especially once she got very sick.) We were flat out called liars and threatened with legal action despite the bricks in our backyard that came from theirs. (They were redoing some bricking outside.)

I also have students with parents like that.

That's kind of a false dilemma. Understanding a behavior and stopping it are not mutually exclusive. I always caution against dehumanizing others because it's a self-serving strategy that is used to justify any type of cruelty against the target group, because they are "inhuman monsters" after all.

Just look at some of the responses in this thread. As soon as the perpetrator is classified as a piece of garbage, it becomes perfectly acceptable to hang him upside down and slice his eyeballs open and pull out his entrails and etc etc...

As a footnote, it is never futile trying to understand behavior. It is the only way we can try to prevent it in the future. The boy in this story was a human being, and for whatever reason he decided to kill somebody's puppy. Simply writing him off as an outlier without exploring the root causes for his cruelty is lazy and dangerous.

Over analyzing the psychosis behind why he would kill a defenseless puppy is a waste of time. He did it and he should be punished accordingly. It's obvious that our opinions regarding a suitable punishment diverge, mine leaning toward the gutting with a spoon and yours leaning toward peace, love, and understanding. You go ahead and give the criminals a good home, and I'll continue working toward giving them a home in the ground.

Yes, well, remember that when our team of designated spoon gutting technicians is putting in 16 hour days due to a rash of puppy head stompings. Remember, it was Apples who couldn't be bothered to try and figure out why somebody would do such a thing.

Boneclinkz: You need to make an appointment with Joe Clark...Seriously!!

"Remember, it was Apples who couldn't be bothered to try and figure out why somebody would do such a thing."

The man who crushed the puppy's skull has been diagnosed by the public as a worthless, piece of @!$%# @!$%# who has relinquished his right to be a member of a civilized society. The bastard needs to be beaten to within an inch of his life.

Somehow I think if we started gutting these pigs the way they deserve there would be less puppy headbashers.

Somehow I think if we started gutting these pigs the way they deserve there would be less puppy headbashers.

Unfortunately most adults find evisceration to be more distasteful than puppy stomping.

Unfortunately most adults find evisceration to be more distasteful than puppy stomping.

Which is why they wouldn't stomp puppies, lest they be eviscerated. Hell, reduce the national debt and put it on pay-per-view (the evisceration).

Enigma: Understand this: killing the monster is NOT violence...it's called ridding the world of scum!! Realistic people understand this!!

Enigma: Understand this: killing the monster is NOT violence...it's called ridding the world of scum!! Realistic people understand this!!

lol

You see how easy it is? Once somebody is dehumanized you can't even apply the same terms to them. This is why it's so simple to get "regular" people to commit horrid atrocities. Simply convince your guys that the others aren't human and you'll have Mrs. Mabel the Kindergarten teacher ushering Jews into the showers while writing her shopping list.

I'd rather dehumanize those that lack humanity than to be like you and support and hand hold them. Treat them with kid gloves, saying they are not bad at all, just a bit misunderstood.

Your condoning kid friendly way is just as dangerous and on par with those that perpetrate such criminal acts.

I don't see how letting people serve time in jail for their crimes is hand-holding -- since when did jail become kid-friendly? Here's a hint for the uneducated: read the Constitution; there's a little bit in there about cruel and unusual punishment, no doubt included to protect normal people from the likes of you.

I guess you also don't see the total hypocrisy of dehumanizing people for... wait for it... their dehumanizing acts.

enigma--

I wasn't responding to you.

Enigma, you have it spot on.

"I guess you also don't see the total hypocrisy of dehumanizing people for... wait for it... their dehumanizing acts."

I was thinking the exact same thing. Some people on here also seem to misunderstand boneclinkz, but I'm right there with you guys. Why is it, people get so disturbed by violence to an animal, but not towards other human beings? I know that for myself, violence towards an innocent animal disturbs me more than almost anything, but I will not let that taint my objective reasoning, nor allow myself to dehumanize the killer. However, that does not mean, I wouldn't have ran up to the kid and start beating the crap out of him, in order to protect my dog. Protection and justice through violence are two different things. My dog, Pakalolo, is small, and he's my world, my baby. After I finish writing this, I'm going to hold him. Personally, I think the boy definitely needs to be imprisoned, and given counseling.

boneclikz take a biology class, humans are animals. We kill other animals that attack people because they are dangerous, why should we not kill people that attack harmless animals for fun?

Personally, I think the boy definitely needs to be imprisoned, and given counseling.

I agree wholeheartedly. I love dogs and I have two little 5-pounders.

boneclikz take a biology class, humans are animals. We kill other animals that attack people because they are dangerous, why should we not kill people that attack harmless animals for fun?

Well there's really no way to argue with that kind of rock solid reasoning.

yeah you're right... they should get a "time out" and no tv

yeah you're right... they should get a "time out" and no tv

Yes, those are the only two choices available, a time out or death.

re-read 5.8, I hope it never happens but if it does, I like my reasoning better than yours, and if it's you or someone you know that it happens to..... know that i'll be here saying "I told you so"

The gobots if you took the time to even read the article you would see there are pictures of the dog, if a grown person could protect themselves from this small of a dog without stomping on its head, it says something awful about that person. Anyone who would do such a thing isnt worthy to breathe the same air as a rational human being.

thegobots-

from what i see the boy was protecting himself,

We're begging you to read the story.

It was a 10 week old puppy. Maybe 20-25oz in weight.

You have little to fear from this viciously bloodthirsty toe-nipper.

"from what i see the boy was protecting himself"

Protecting himself from a ten week old puppy that could fit in a coffee cup, wagging his tail as it approached them?

Shoot your neighbor's dog with a BB gun in the State of Ohio and watch what happens to your sorry ass.

In Texas you have the right to defend your property with deadly force. Since a dog is considered property, the girl (had she lived in tx as least) would have been well within her rights to kill this cretin.

thegobots,

note that just because someones dog is "off leash" which is a minor offence punishable by a fine, does not all of a sudden give people like you carte blanche to attack the animal just because it comes near you. You can simply ask the owner to keep the dog away from you.

As I said in a previous post, most dog owners see their pets as family, and you should be careful about what you do to someones family, the repercussions from a violent attack on a pet may be more than you anticipate.

If an animal is acting aggressively I fully agree with you, but in a case such as this, you are way off.

You know studies have shown that those who abuse or kill small animals will eventually move on to humans.

Not true. Studies have shown a strong correlation between murder and animal cruelty.

Still, these kids should be red flagged now! Keep an eye on them before they turn to "bigger" prey.

Not true. Studies have shown a strong correlation between murder and animal cruelty.

You just contradicted yourself and agreed with Shay

You just contradicted yourself and agreed with Shay

No, I didn't. You might want to look up the word "correlation" in the dictionary.

Boneclinkz: you are a whack job!! Mabel the Kindergarten teacher? Eieieieiei!!! Get a life Boneclinkz!!

boneclinkz--

I know what it means, it appears you do not.

Several case studies have shown that serial murderers do tend to start with smaller prey such as small animals such as this puppy.

Who knows? Maybe this could be this yob's "thumb print" one day.

I know what it means, it appears you do not.

It annoys me that I have to explain this. Correlation does not imply causation. You have a population of serial killers, and you survey them, and the results show that the majority of them practiced animal cruelty before moving on to people. This is a strong correlation.

You cannot say that the animal cruelty caused them to become serial killers. That's faulty reasoning. For all you know, there could be (and is, from my experience) a population of non-serial-killers who are also cruel to animals and were never surveyed.

This is the same faulty logic that results in marijuana being called a "gateway drug", despite the fact that probably all of us know recreational marijuana users that never moved onto harder drugs. They surveyed a group of heroin addicts, found that most all of them started with marijuana, and mistook a correlation for a causation.

Hopefully this was illuminating, Kshark.

Boneclinkz,

I hope you don't mind, but I am going to put what you just said into plainer English. LOL

She is saying: Animal cruelty is quite possibly an indication of a possible budding serial killer.

boneclinkz--

You just merely babbled more than anything. Unlike you I did study Psychology and Forensic Psychology.

But hey you think you are right and everyone else is wrong, I'll let you continue with that thought if it helps you sleep at night.

It would be best not to argue with me about this.

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Lissa Rose--

Eh don't worry about it. bonec doesn't really grasp things all that well regarding this area of study, and doesn't really understand the criminal mind.

But thank you for trying.

boneclinkz--

You just merely babbled more than anything. Unlike you I did study Psychology and Forensic Psychology.

But hey you think you are right and everyone else is wrong, I'll let you continue with that thought if it helps you sleep at night.

It would be best not to argue with me about this.

You studied psychology and you don't understand the difference between correlation and causation? That is... amazing. Posture all you want, but you are dead wrong. Correlation does not imply causation. This is basically the mantra for psych researchers, and the justification for all experimental psychology.

Eh don't worry about it. bonec doesn't really grasp things all that well regarding this area of study, and doesn't really understand the criminal mind.

I really appreciate the irony of this post, considering the person who says that they have studied "Psychology and Forensic Psychology" has been arguing that it is a waste of time to try and understand the motives behind criminal behavior.

I guess psychology majors don't have to take Logic classes. Nice logic boneclinkz. :)

boneclinkz--

You studied psychology and you don't understand the difference between correlation and causation? That is... amazing. Posture all you want, but you are dead wrong. Correlation does not imply causation. This is basically the mantra for psych researchers, and the justification for all experimental psychology.

No I know full well about correlation and causation, you fail to understand how the criminal mind works. There is a holy trifecta regarding serial killers, 1) bed wetting
2) pyros
3) animal abuse
This starts at a younger age

You start on animals why, because they are easy targets, they don't put up a fight. Easy to subdue and easy to destroy, it escalates out of there why because the thrill is not as potent compared to using real humans as victims.

The only thing to say in your regard is not all do become serial killers however a large portion commit other crimes, but given what researchers have indeed found, most serial killers abused animals when they were children, majority when adolescent, and some as adults. You look at the history of serial killers, they started with animal abuse. You go from animal abuse into Interpersonal Violence, it is an escalation. However, it had indeed been found that those who abuse animals commit more crimes. So yeah animal abuse and crime

For those that abuse animals we don't know if they will be serial killers or not. But they have taken the first step. If they are not paid attention to, and they progress to killing a human, that is a problem isn't it.

However your whole correlation and causation, it actually means the correlation between two variables does not automatically imply one causes the other. "Does not automatically imply" doesn't outright say it does not period. It simply says "does not automatically imply." So the door is not completely closed.

However, you can go and look up animal abuse and crime.

I really appreciate the irony of this post, considering the person who says that they have studied "Psychology and Forensic Psychology" has been arguing that it is a waste of time to try and understand the motives behind criminal behavior.

And where did I say it was a waste of time to try and understand the motives behind criminal behavior? I said you didn't understand criminal minds I certainly did not say it was a waste of time to understand the motives. So making up more crap eh. It only makes you look bad, but I guess that is what you were going for. You succeeded. I love it when people lack reading skills around here.

KatBel-

No see the logic would have been for bonec to have actually read things properly instead of saying something in bold that was not even said at all.

So you just insulted bonec there, not me. LOL

Well done. LOL

But since you went by what bonec said which was wrong, to where you then are wrong to, so you failed logic as well.

To quote Obi-Won Kenobi "who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him."

Cheerio

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One more thing bonec--

Shay didn't say all those who abuse animals go onto violence against humans.

boneclinkz

look at it this way, all serial killers torture (tortured) animals but not everyone who tortures animals is a serial killer. So that means it is a good indicator to watch for.

Hmmm, mandatory sterilization for the parents of criminal teenagers. That's rational.

It was a 10 week old puppy.

Concerned you posted before I got a chance to. I'm hoping that gobots is not serious. He can't be serious.

I hope that as well, Shay.

Gobots-

Even if what you say is true, it doesn't justify someone stomping on the puppy's head. It's the same principle as not shaking or slamming a baby down because he/she spit up on you.

"this girl is getting started early in criminal behavior"

What the Hell have you been smoking?

If you deliberately struck a jaywalker with your car you'd be prosecuted for vehicular manslaughter. This creature deliberately killed that dog. Enough said.

Dear god.... Shay, I don't think he was joking.

thegobots, I am putting you on my ignore list. You are the only one to be there, so you should feel lucky. The many racists, bigots, and liars that I have come across haven't even made it to this list.

This is not because I don't think everyone has a right to their opinion, or that their opinion has the right to be heard.

It is because your opinion makes me physically sick.

Congratulations.

Gobots-

This happened in a foreign country, not in the U.S. We don't know what the leash laws are. Or were you traumatized by a 10-week-old Jack Russell puppy who wasn't on a leash when you were younger?

"thegobots, I am putting you on my ignore list."

Same here. He'll fit right in with the 442 others I have on the list.

thegobots1, how old are you? Do your parents know you're on the computer?

a person does have a right to get a dog away from them correct?

um no... actually you don't have a "right". just because you think something SHOULD be a right doesn't mean it is. If a passive puppy comes near you, you do not have a "right" to kick it to get away from you.