China shames prostitutes by posting naked photographs of them on the Internet

Darn, you beat me to it Al.

You bet me to it, too, Al. When I read this all I could think was "Government advertising!"

So they have Craig's list over there?

China's never been the champion for human rights let alone women's rights. But to me after trying to shame these women by posting their pictures on the internet, wouldn't it just be advertising? Men who hire these women to service them will now have an easier way to view them before their purchase.

They should be shaming the men who pay for sex and the men who rape.

Absolutely, but that's not going to happen, especially in a patriarchal society like China. They're men, they have needs, they can't help themselves. Barf!

Actually Chinese society can be pretty matriarchal. Traditionally, when Poppa hits middle-age and wants a mistress he's got to sign the family business over to Momma. That way the family doesn't suffer from Poppa's second childhood. And, I know Chinese women can be pretty assertive.

Really? Interesting custom, although I can see why it would be good for the family to do so. They also seem to have greater respect for older women than we do here.

But to me after trying to shame these women by posting their pictures on the internet, wouldn't it just be advertising? Men who hire these women to service them will now have an easier way to view them before their purchase.

You need to understand this from a Chinese cultural perspective. China is still, generally, very sexually repressed. There's a cultural reason why Edison Chen voluntarily ended his acting career over a years-old sex scandal, which is typically the opposite of what happens across the big water.

They should be shaming the men who pay for sex and the men who rape.

Rape is still a capital crime in China, if memory serves me right. I'd say that's worse than public shaming.

As for shaming men, it's not so much patriarchy as the men who pay for sex are typically those with some measure of political connections, so actually filling out the paperwork for such a public shaming is more difficult than would be typically expected of an authoritarian government.

I'll bet that public shaming of the johns is coming soon, now that a massive gov't corruption crackdown is underway.

Actually Chinese society can be pretty matriarchal.

Chinese families, at least in the North, are very matriarchal. In my extended family, my grandmother has the final word on everything, and her suggestions are taken almost as commands.

Traditionally, when Poppa hits middle-age and wants a mistress he's got to sign the family business over to Momma. That way the family doesn't suffer from Poppa's second childhood.

I didn't know that. Interesting. Do you happen to know what region this practice is most commonly practiced in?

Thanks for your post Jack, it's extremely informative.

Thanks for your post Jack, it's extremely informative.

And extremely biased. Prostitution is an age old practice in China. They were once known as "sing song" girls way back before the abomination called "The Cultural Revolution".

And extremely biased.

Feel free to specifically support that claim, kid. So far, you've substantively rebutted nothing. Considering your claim of being "constantly dumbfounded" by the Chinese, you've really knocked out your own foundation for presuming to sneeringly judge me. :-)

Prostitution is an age old practice in China.

And in the rest of the world, even though, on paper, it's illegal in most countries. Did you have a point?

They were once known as "sing song" girls way back before the abomination called "The Cultural Revolution".

Dang, Chinese people make up slang words. Again, your point?

Jack Huang

You are kidding, right? Do you really want to get into this?

I've spent the last 25 years (yes I am "a friend") and know China well. It's late and I'm tired but if you want to engage, see you in the morning. In the meantime I suggest you do some reading, start here:http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:lyq2Y5-QCCEJ:www.danreid.org/docs/Old%2520Pu%2520-%2520John%2520Blofeld%2520Memoris%2520%2520-Translated%2520by%2520Daniel%2520Reid%2520-%2520Advance%2520excerpt.doc+sing+song+girls+in+old+china&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk

Good night Jack.

And your link rebuts... which one of my points, exactly? I never said that prostitution was nonexistent or even uncommon in China. What, did you derive some implicit judgment of regional Chinese cuisine from my comments?

I'm still waiting to read your explanation for how I'm "extremely biased."

Go read the book and then we'll talk. I have no time for your nonsense.

Ah, so you've got nothing more than hot air. Good chat. Have fun trolling elsewhere. :-)

Ah, so you've got nothing more than hot air. Good chat. Have fun trolling elsewhere. :-)

You are a typical denier of the deficiencies of modern Chinese culture. China is bankrupt morally.

I have years of experience in China and dealing with the ravages of the "Cultural Revolution".

Have you ever been there? Do you do any reading? Are you open to honest debate?

Ah, so now you do have time for my nonsense. Splendid.

You are a typical denier of the deficiencies of modern Chinese culture.

You haven't given me anything to deny, actually. Note that I didn't deny your characterization of the "Cultural Revolution" as an abomination, though I suspect your own treatment of that particular era is -- how shall I put this nicely -- creatively colored.

China is bankrupt morally.

Care to clarify? That vague declaration can describe any number of countries, including the US.

I have years of experience in China and dealing with the ravages of the "Cultural Revolution".

Two generations of my family lived through the ravages of the Cultural Revolution. I hope you didn't actually think I'd somehow be impressed by your empty declaration of grand experience.

Have you ever been there?

Just came back from a trip there a month ago, actually. Fun.

Do you do any reading?

Not at all -- I'm secretly illiterate and communicating to you via ghost writer.

Are you open to honest debate?

Things I've said to you:

"Feel free to specifically support that claim, kid."
"Did you have a point?"
"I'm still waiting to read your explanation for how I'm 'extremely biased.'"

Things you've said to me:

"You are kidding, right? Do you really want to get into this?"
"I have no time for your nonsense."
"You are a typical denier of the deficiencies of modern Chinese culture."

After all that, you presume to question my openness to honest debate? You do realize that your attempt at stalling via overwrought pomp is really quite transparent, right?

Anyway, feel free to revisit this discussion if you'd like to engage in even a semblance of substantive debate -- if you have time for such nonsense, that is.

Ok folks, this is the fight we've been waiting for! Jack 'Da Mack' Huang versus multi 'farious' one. They're scheduled for ten, three minute rounds of pure, nonstop action. Each is in their corners and ready to brawl.

Ding ding ding! Let's get it on!

farious starts it off with some name calling

You are a typical denier

Not very original, but whatever. farious tries for a Superman Punch, but Da Mack is ready for it, he dips, swerves, wiggles, and bounces. farious cannot touch him, Da Mack is just too quick. farious goes on the offensive with a barrage a jabs and slaps that are unsuccessful. It seems Da Mack is wearing him out with his uncanny defense. I've never seen anything like it, Da Mack is untouchable! Uh-oh, but what is this? It seems, Da Mack has busted out some kick ass break dancing in the middle of the fight! Get down with yo bad self!

Ding Ding Ding! Ohh, and there goes round one

great night for two fighters of such high caliber to meet inside the ring isn't it Davoh? Reminds me of the Great Bush Gore debates and just a touch of Tyson Holyfield.

http://multifariousone.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/15/3503767-chinese-officials-told-to-dump-mistresses?threadId=724792&commentId=10686299#c10686299

I would refer you all to

Chinese Lessons: Five Classmates and the Story of the New China and

China Road

for insight into the barbaric, totalitarian hypocrisy that is China in these times.

Heh, I've read China Road. I actually found it surprisingly laudatory of China. What in it, specifically, did you think was demonstrative of "the barbaric, totalitarian hypocrisy that is China"? The abortion doctors? The casual, caring prostitute?

Again, I'm still waiting for you, yourself, to explicate anything that even remotely supports your claim that I have "extreme bias."

Seriously, you've had a grand (and, I'm sure, a spectacularly sociologically insightful) 25 years of experience in China, and all you can do is whip out Amazon links? Disappointing.

great night for two fighters of such high caliber to meet inside the ring

And here for round 2 is my guest commentator, James 'Pimpslappin' Devore. He has more experience in smacking hoes, than any two pimps combined. A legend amongst us men. Who do you see, winning this fight?

early on if huang can wear down his opponent then it will be him but if this fight goes over 3 rounds he could be in trouble

Yes, it seems farious is furious. Da Mack should definitely come out swinging for the fence, if he wants to win this one.

Ding Ding Ding (a-ling) Round number 2, and they're off

farious enters the ring and tells Da Mack, "I'll school you into China history, boy!" Da Mack retaliates with, "all you can do is whip out Amazon links." That is some major @!$%#-talking folks, unlike anything I've ever seen. The verbal bashing is almost more than I can handle, it's viciously brutal. Here come the fists, they both swing wildly at air, as if they are surrounded by hornets. Amazingly no one lands a single punch! They could use a lesson from Pimpslappin Devore, for sure! What's your take on it?

Yes, it seems farious is furious. Da Mack should definitely come out swinging for the fence, if he wants to win this one.

Meh, I'd rather entangle farious into punching himself in the face. It's more amusing that way. ;-)

I do find the ringside commentary entertaining, though. Keep it up, guys. :-P

well one of em needs to actually swing in order to win right now they just look like they're enjoying dancing cheek to cheek in the soft candle's glow and taking long hot showers together till the early dawn and holding hand on the beach some one needs to swing

It looks as if the action is picking up. Da Mack connects with a huge flying sidekick! Did you see the way his head snapped back? That's when you know you connected! farious is knocked speechless, I'd be surprised if he's even still breathing. Da Mack jumps on top and gets the full mount and uses farious' own hands as weapons! This is grade school punishment, Da Mack stands up and starts dropping bows on him! It looks as if farious is out, he's definitely quit flapping his gums, that's for sure! Da Mack finishes it off with a big kick to the groin for good measure. Da Mack then says, "He may get up from that one, but he will be limping."

So it's Jack 'Da Mack' Huang for the win. He has proven himself to be a serious contender. Now I better get back to work, before I get fired.

unbelievable that was a fast and furious round and it ends in a knockout and massive groin trauma stay tuned to the vine for our next fighters

Good points.

Some top cop didn't get his freebie.

Some top cop didn't get his freebie.

Probably exactly correct.

Mao and the totalitarianism that he spawned has sucked the soul out of the Chinese people.

Care to elaborate?

Visit there and you'll come away shaking your head of the stupidity that the system has created.

A number of educated Chinese with some overseas experience will say the same thing about present-day America. ;-)

According to the Chinese there is no homosexuality in China so there is not even the possibility of gay hookers......

Actually, there are gay hookers (like straight hookers, these are hush-hush), and at least in recent history, China has never claimed that homosexuality doesn't exist in China. However, it did only legalize homosexuality in... 1994, I think.

Wikipedia says de facto decriminalization in '97, but that's still several years before it was fully decriminalized in the US (as one point of reference, for instance).

Fair enough. Firefox was acting up, so I didn't bother getting verification.

Comparison's to the United States are no acquittal of anyone else.

Actually, there are gay hookers (like straight hookers, these are hush-hush)

Like I said, hypocrisy.

Comparison's to the United States are no acquittal of anyone else.

So you think the US is also a barbaric totalitarian state? Otherwise, the parallel is certainly damning of your judgment.

Like I said, hypocrisy.

Again, the same is true in the US (another barbaric, totalitarian state, perhaps?).

Seems a might bit off-topic. Possibly best to spin off in its own article.

Seems a might bit off-topic. Possibly best to spin off in its own article.

How so? Jack Huang is demanding answers to why I think China is led by a barbarous, hypocritical totalitarian regime......

spiffie, yeah, this could take quite a bit of space. I'll leave it to cartooncat to tell us when to stop.

As for farious' claims:

Chinese treatment of Tibetans & Uighurs - The Chinese invaded a Tibet that had a governmental system consisting of a totalitarian serfdom. Hardly the common illusion of evil foreigners stomping all over the noble savage.

Further, The Tibetan Autonomous Zone enjoys a level of political/governmental freedom that no other Chinese province experiences, or has ever experienced. It's true that there is a good deal of local racial employment discrimination against Uighurs, and that assuredly deserves criticism. However, Kadeer's bandwagon-jumping on Tibet's "big bad Han systematically wiping out poor ethnic minorities" train is just a bit pathetic, especially considering the widespread Uighur-led violence (granted, with violent Han backlash, as well) we saw just a few months ago around Urumqi.

One-Child Policy - The One-Child Policy was born of necessity. In a nation with almost 5 times the population and 1/2 the arable land area of the US, population growth is definitely a problem -- the choice becomes either something like the One-Child Policy or waiting until China collapses under overpopulation. If you have a better "morally right" solution that's workable, I'd honestly love to hear it.

Laogai prison camps - You won't find agreement with that particular policy from me. It's heavy-handed, politically stupid, and quite unnecessary. Also, they're much bigger than Guantanamo ever was, so the US has a leg up there.

Education - You're amusing. I like that. An unspecified Chinese college graduate didn't know that the US didn't have a particular gov't policy? About 25% of Americans can name more than one freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment, and only 0.1% can name all five. Keep in mind that the First Amendment is one of the foundational policies of their own country.

Are Americans "brainwashed"? I'm trying to establish your baseline for judgmental vocabulary usage here.

If you similarly condemn the US as, again, a "barbarous, hypocritical totalitarian regime", then my argument is quite readily invalidated, and you have a bit more solid footing. So, if you do similarly condemn the US, please say so, for your sake.

Tiananmen - You'll have to give me a linked source for the assertion that "[all] Chinese students under, say, 25" have no idea what Six-Four is.

Officials driving Audis while some citizens starve - I'll translate that into "large socioeconomic divide" for you. The US leads the world (by a significant margin) in number of billionaires and number of millionaires. According to the USDA, over 5% of Americans have "very low food security" in 2008, a year when the US experienced no adverse food pressures.

Now, in 1988, a historic year of damaging floods, droughts, and extended frosts in China, about 8% of the Chinese population experienced food shortages.

Creative eminent domain - While eminent domain is also a gov't policy in US, it certainly isn't used with such corruption (or, less likely, the corruption is much more well-hidden). Corruption is rampant in the Chinese government. As an authoritarian state and a culture that has been historically based on guanxi (which ranges from interpersonal karma to the direct exchange of personal favors), it has been very difficult trying to curb the behavior.

Actually, under Mao, corruption by government officials was often punished as a capital crime, and it wasn't until Deng's capitalistic policies really took effect that the corruption really geared up. It's indeed shameful behavior, and hinders efficient rewarding of effective and innovative business. However, the government is (slowly) getting better about it, as experienced by the recent mega-crackdown in Chongqing, complete with public shaming.

Ridiculous Jack, you actually defend genocide in Tibet. This is a complete waste of time. Once again, your arguments are without substance.

Stopped tracking.

I just love when someone whips out a one-liner, thumps his chest proclaiming victory, then takes his toys, covers his eyes, plugs his ears, and stomps out.

This is the true mark of a cogent, knowledgeable debater: false questioning and Amazon book suggestions. Take notes, people.

I just love when someone whips out a one-liner, thumps his chest proclaiming victory, then takes his toys, covers his eyes, plugs his ears, and stomps out.

lol, that's funny stuff

wow they're at it again??

This could get ugly folks! A back alley brawl has broken out between farious and Da Mack. It's gonna be one helluva throwdown, somebody's gonna get smacked up like a heroin addict. (audience cheers) Da Mack, Da Mack, Da Mack! It seems we have a crowd favorite. It will be interesting, to see how this altercation ends. And here to introduce our fighters is Bruce Buffer.

Bruce Buffer: Standing to my left with a terrible stomach cramp, weighing in at a meager 100 lbs, soaking wet, is multi 'furious' one! He getting angry on many levels

Bruce Buffer: And to my right, the man with the most bodacious dance moves in brawling history, weighing in at a butt-shaking 190 lbs, the King of Swing, Jack 'Da MaaaaaaaaaaCK' Huuuuuang!

Now back to you Pimpslappin' and DaVoH

wow a backstage brawl you would think they may have learned by now that eventually China will have antoher revolution and change or someone will nuke them till they glow and bomb em in the dark until such a time as they change their human rights policies. so why argue or even debate over it

so why argue or even debate over it

Yeah, don't argue, FIGHT! I wanted to see some bloodshed, but it seems furious is also fast, and has runt off