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Bodies of 21 German soldiers buried alive in WW1 trench found perfectly preserved 94 years later

Seeded on Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:19 AM EST
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The bodies of 21 German soldiers entombed in a perfectly preserved World War One shelter have been discovered 94 years after they were killed.

The men were part of a larger group of 34 who were buried alive when a huge Allied shell exploded above the tunnel in 1918, causing it to cave in.

Thirteen bodies were recovered from the underground shelter, but the remaining men had to be left under a mountain of mud as it was too dangerous to retrieve them.

Nearly a century later, French archaeologists stumbled upon the mass grave on the former Western Front in eastern France during excavation work for a road building project.

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backroads

They might be zombies by now.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:55 AM EST
Dog_Blue

I found this post to be very interesting. It is interesting to view WWi remains in the context of an archaelogical and historical find. Twenty-one humans from another era, it stimulates the imagination, and apparently not disturbed by the events of WWII.

The photos of the sight bring this historical era into a comprehensible thought as to what it was like.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:11 PM EST
backroads

That one "unidentified" item in the photos is a boot jack.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:11 PM EST
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mrsrachelm

I know they were Germans. I know what they were doing back then and I don't condone it. However, I will say and not apologize for saying it, what a tragic way to die. Yes I KNOW about the plight and deaths of the Jews and other political prisoners in the death camps etc. But the humanity in me can't help but feel saddened not only for those in the camps but also for anyone who suffered such a tragic end. Being shot is quick....being buried alive? IT gives me the shivers.

I hope you all can understand that my compassion for one doesn't negate my compassion for the other.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:31 PM EST
Dog_Blue

Wrong war. That's the next one in the series.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:13 PM EST
mrsrachelm

ooops, you're right! I'm going to blame my caffeine starved brain, lol

Well, my sentiment remains the same.

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:25 PM EST
Dog_Blue

I find much of the European political interactions during the late 19th and early 20th century fascinating. They shaped the world, to a large extent, to what we have today. There is a lot of confusion it seems. For one thing, Germany got dragged into WWI for the most part by alliances it had established. The French and British were also drawn into to the conflict because of alliances. The actual "guilty parties" that started the war skated by with very little notoriety.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:36 PM EST
katrix

Most of the soldiers in all of our wars were kids, brainwashed into doing all sorts of things. I don't blame them so much as the politicians or religious leaders who got them to do this. You do notice that the warmongers don't tend to have their kids out on the front lines. German or not, it's tragic and I feel sorry for them. It's no different from the Crusades or anything like that in the past, where people got sucked into lies and told they should kill those who were different, or those who had what their country wanted. And a lot of the European wars were about greed, although they used religion and patriotism to help get the riches they wanted - so they could support more wars. Hell, I wouldn't want to have ruled England back then, much less tried to take over France and Scotland too! What sane person would have?

And think about our poor kids during Vietnam and Korea. At least during the World Wars, there was an actual direct threat.

Wars these days are much more politically correct. Ever see cartoons from the WWII era? Japs, slanty eyes, all kinds of propoganda. Just like the Native American takeover; painting them all as savages. Aren't humans great at finding ways to get people "like us" to hate a huge group of people who "aren't like us?"

  • 1 vote
#3.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:54 PM EST
Jonathan-1917156

katrix,

the thing about WWI though is that it really was a war of unfortunate circumstances. The germans & austrians (where the war actually started) weren't really evil, unlike WWII where Hitler did exactly what you said.

  • 1 vote
#3.5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:55 PM EST
katrix

Oh, I get that. I guess I was mostly responding to mrsrachelm after she realized she was talking about the wrong war; I was too, but I think it's important to realize that even in WWII, those Germans and Japanese were brainwashed kids forced into crap they couldn't begin to comprehend. I DID see the Sound of Music, after all. Hmmpphh. I remember what happened to the older daughter's boyfriend. I know my history.

There could be a little truth to that (the boyfriend), actually, probably not but going to have to look that up. The nuns probably didn't take out car parts, though. They probably had never seen a car or a distributor cap.

For the kids forced to fight, all wars are unfortunate circumstances, and the same for the people living in the wake of the carnage. Our country still hasn't recovered from the Civil War, in many instances. And just think, we're fortunate enough to have very few wars fought on our actual soil. We lose our actual soldiers, but we don't lose what other countries do when they get into wars.

Dang. Side note - can't find out whether the Liesl and Rolf story was based on any reality, but the girl who Liesl was based on died recently at age 97, with no mention of a Nazi boyfriend. I'd love to know the truth behind the legend, just as a payback to me for having those songs stuck in my mind for years.

  • 1 vote
#3.6 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:26 PM EST
Jonathan-1917156

The timelines of the movie/play didn't match reality, so the likelyhood of that being true is very suspect.

Not sure if you stumbled across this link about the Von Trapps

  • 2 votes
#3.7 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:45 PM EST
katrix

That was a wonderful read! Thank you so much. If you weren't already on my friend list, I'd friend you all over again for that link.

  • 1 vote
#3.8 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:03 AM EST
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Tim Boothby

It appears that the trenches were perfectly preserved, not the bodies. I was wondering how a body could be in the ground that long and still be 'perfectly preserved.' That would have been eerie.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:53 PM EST
jeremy-17

This is an amazing find. The idea that this went undetected and undisturbed for almost a century and withstand the violence of World War II is baffling.

Great insight on how the Soldiers lived during the War.

I cannot imagine the horrors these 21 Soldiers had experienced when it collapsed.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:22 AM EST
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